FastAndy
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Then why did are gas prices go up this week from $ 3.48 to $3.75, who is trying to rip us off and steal this money from us?
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jb47
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now we need gas pricecs to drop in relation to oil prices
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dpgas
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"Plug-in-Hybrid-Electric-Vehicle or PHEV’s are yet another possible answer.
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?s=dc2d8fd31a7e29e0e6c9938d5232a7ec&t=196
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The best idea of using solar panels to charge PHEV's or BEV's would be the solar car park, or home solar array!
(issue is converted solar radiation at 15% efficiency per area solar radiation received, cost per solar panel - flexible ones to mate well with auto surfaces, and available auto upper or nearly flat areas) You will need about $20,000 worth of panels and controllers at todays prices, to get a good output for a days charge! Of course - if you have it - you are now insulated from grid outages, price increases, etc.
Consider - full on sun at direct angle of 90 degrees on a 15 watt / 1 amp panel that costs about $150 Canadian at Canadian Tire for a reference - or see this GE 200 Watt pannel ($1,100 U.S.$ ea. ) for reference - about 38"" x 58"" x 1.5"" thk. {Correction: 2.2"" thk} with max amps at 7.6 http://shop.altenergystore.com/itemd...00~eq~~Tp~.htm
Bottom Line - you don't have expandable solar panels like a sattelite (but if it interests you, you could design them with me if you like!) and - you are not just powering a radio transmitter like a sattelite! So - you need a LOT more power than you could get in a 6 - 8 hour period in a fixed roof + hood + truck coverage of solar cells.
Better Fuel efficincy gains can be had by going with aerodynamic improvements done right - like Phil Knox's streamlined 1994 Toyota Tacoma pickup - http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?sect...le&storyid=870 (newer article. - an older version of the story can be found here: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?sect...le&storyid=774 )"
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dpgas
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"Maybe we should try this:
http://rapidshare.com/files/119450487/HydrogenConverter.pdf"
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dpgas
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"These days Senate is discussing to stop the $17 billion ""give away"" to oil companies. Please:
search yahoo/google with ""senator message email [state name]"" for your senator and tell your thought about it!
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dpgas
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"India Minister Blames Oil Surge on Speculators, Urges Price Cap
""Surely demand and supply cannot explain what has happened over the last 12 months,"" Chidambaram said. ""Oil prices were $70 a barrel in August 2007 and how is it that they've doubled when there has been no dramatic change in demand?""
Oil prices surged as financial institutions invested in the commodity through ""unregulated and highly opaque"" transactions, he said.
U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman rejected yesterday calls to put greater control on the markets, and said a shortage of supply was responsible for pushing oil prices higher. He rejected the argument that speculators are leading the markets to record levels.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a1soSwhkWDkI&refer=asia"
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dpgas
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Still not enough! Waiting for $1-$2 to drive more, like before!
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GasholeMI
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Great trend.
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Rageagainsttm
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not enuff
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Jacks45
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9/7/2008 10:30:42 AM
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Dollar is being speculated by the speculators.
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dougrusty
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Old....
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PioneerUrban
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Yep
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REVLAW
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Low compared to the spike (peak) ... exceedingly high compared to the level of a reasonable trend over time. Old news.
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Somis1
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9/7/2008 10:16:19 AM
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In spite of excuses for a run-up, the downward trend is holding, for now.
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jrnascar
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Would be nice to see oil back down to $80 where it really should be.
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EXTREMESNOW
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LOVE GOOD NEWS NOW AND THEN.
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hank1326
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It is at 5-month low here in Southern California pre and post Gustav. However, keep on conserving, drive less and walk more.
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Terrapinone
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keep the good news coming
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PhilMay
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Toppers
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Ike's a comin'!
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rvnvet70
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Just wait until the middle of the week.
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Pseudorious
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That will change next week.
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KCTraveler
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Let's keep our fingers crossed that Ike doesn't mess up the gulf rigs and that the post Labor Day traditional drop in gas prices holds steay.
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lukelewis
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I like that but the gas prices ain't reflecting that
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Gassie1
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9/7/2008 9:55:03 AM
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Oil prices and gasoline prices are only related when the price of oil goes up
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radicale
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funny how gas has not followed oil in price change - NOT! Someone is getting rich and it isn't me.
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GASHAMMERS
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9/7/2008 9:44:29 AM
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gas needs to follow drop of oil!
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KingBiscuit
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9/7/2008 9:42:35 AM
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FYI - the report was pre-Gustav.
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TRAIN RIDER
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GOOD FOR A FIVE MONTH LOW, BUT THEY SHOULD BE LOWER.
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Rick01
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sure wish gas would follow oil!
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qaqcsup
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Should the Associated Press change it's name to like, United Propaganda?
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smama
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9/7/2008 9:32:28 AM
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Gas prices having lowered in 3 weeks here in rural Illinois
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Razzincain
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9/7/2008 9:31:46 AM
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Lets get below 100 a barrel
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Gassipper30mpg
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Keep posting. Use less.
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s6sputnik
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$80 a barrel by Christmas! Dollar 1= 1.25 Euro!
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cudatim
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The more the better.
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zivkam
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Let gas fall too........
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eddyp94
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gas prices have not moved in a week...
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Price_Patrol
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They claim Ike will strike the Gulf Coast.
[Edited by: Price_Patrol at 9/7/2008 9:25:10 AM EST]
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weenerdog
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the gas prices havent gone down as much as the oil prices
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dreamweaver7050
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pump price still hi
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CSharpGuy
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Let's hope for a 12 month low.
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GasholeMI
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"...as traders shift their attention away from supply-threatening storms..." Who are these traders? On our national news media, we only get politics and storm fears. Don't the traders watch the news?
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Laser917
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But our prices are keeping up aren't they?
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reb4
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get the prices down now!
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evasilion
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Could have fooled me.
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Martinman
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go troll somewhere else
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jmuse
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If you liked Thursday, you'll love Friday.
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Sandhog7
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It's still higher than the current market rate.
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Martinman
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You can see a thunderstorm from space. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize you can also see a hurricane.
Go troll somewhere else.
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